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Yes, I know this recipe was just published this morning, and I know that you’re all plenty busy as it is with turkeys and pies and stuffing, and if you’re not cooking then you’re probably on your way out the door (we’re leaving in half an hour and I haven’t even packed yet), but I couldn’t exactly not post about this right away, could I? Come on, now.

If the response to Jim Lahey’s No-Knead Bread is any indication, then I feel like I’m practically contractually obligated to.

Almost exactly a year ago, The New York Times published that lovely no-knead recipe which had thousands of people baking deliciously flavorful, easy-as-pie, artisan bread in their own homes at last. The response to the recipe was phenomenal and well-deserved. The first no-knead loaf I made was devoured by two young men I know in less than an hour. The second no-knead loaf I made was devoured by a few young women I know in less than an hour. The third no-knead loaf I made…well, you get the picture. It was a big hit.

Today, The New York Times published a new recipe for "crusty", "flavorful" bread – perhaps almost an heir to the no-knead mania – that will, no doubt, have just as many people in a bread-baking frenzy as Mr. Lahey did.

Here’s the thing, though: This bread? The one published today? It’s not as good. It’s simply not. In fact, it’s not that great at all. There you have it. Oh sure, it’s fine, in the way that most homemade bread is, because it’s fresh and it’s homemade and your house smells pretty darn good while it’s baking. But compared to Jim Lahey’s No-Knead Bread? Well, there’s just no comparison.

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The article accompanying Jeff Hertzberg’s recipe seemed to almost chastise (gently) No-Knead Bread for a few of its characteristics, like having such a long fermentation process (18 hours or more – of course, you don’t have to do much during that time, in fact, you can all but ignore the dough) and the need to bake the bread in a cast-iron pot. But the former, combined with the fact that No-Knead Bread starts with a tiny amount of yeast, is where the bread gets its wonderful flavor, and the latter is how the very wet dough is able to create its own little steamy environment, which is exactly how you end up with a gorgeously thin and shattery crust that lasts and lasts.

It’s true that Hertzberg’s recipe will give you your bread in a fraction of the time that it will take you to make the No-Knead Bread, but your loaves won’t have those appealingly craggy holes in the crumb or that indescribably delicious flavor. Because of the quick rise, Hertzberg’s bread tastes overly yeasty and somewhat two-dimensional. Almost a little bitter. The crumb looks good, but more generic. The crust is crisp when you first take the loaves out of the oven, but as they cool, the crust becomes softer, the crunch less assertive.

I made turkey sandwiches out of this bread – they’ll sustain us on our trip up to Boston today. And I’ll take another one of the loaves with us for breakfast toast over the next few days. The remaining dough I’m refrigerating to see if a little rest can’t coax a bit more flavor into it. But the next time I’ve got a hankering for homemade bread? I’m going back to the tried-and-true. No-Knead Bread it is.

Update: November 30, 2007

After eight days of rest in the fridge, I took the Tupperwared dough out last night, shaped it into a ball, let it come to room temperature and rest for about an hour and 20 minutes, and then baked it. The dough rose and browned beautifully in the oven, just like last time. This morning I sliced off a piece – the crumb looked nice, much like it does in the photo above – and toasted it very gently, just to a creamy buff color. Then I took a bite, plain, and found that it really didn’t taste much different from the first time around. It didn’t have that faintly bitter aroma anymore, but it was still yeasty as all get out and had this sort of odd, flat flavor – I can’t really put my finger on it. Spread with apple butter, it was a good breakfast, but I didn’t find the bread nirvana that I was so hoping for after a week in the fridge.

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Simple Crusty Bread
Makes 3-4 loaves

1 1/2 tablespoons yeast (active-dry)
1 1/2 tablespoons kosher salt
6 1/2 cups unbleached, all-purpose flour, more for dusting dough
Cornmeal

1.
In a large bowl or plastic container, mix yeast and salt into 3 cups
lukewarm water (about 100 degrees). Stir in flour, mixing until there
are no dry patches. Dough will be loose. Cover, but not with an
airtight lid. Let dough rise at room temperature 2 hours (or up to 5
hours). Here’s what it will look like after rising.

2. Bake at this point or refrigerate, covered, for as
long as two weeks. When ready to bake, sprinkle a little flour on dough
and cut off a grapefruit-size piece with serrated knife. Turn dough in
hands to lightly stretch surface, creating a rounded top and a lumpy
bottom. Put dough on pizza peel sprinkled with cornmeal; let rest 40
minutes. Repeat with remaining dough or refrigerate it.

3. Place
broiler pan on bottom of oven. Place baking stone on middle rack and
turn oven to 450 degrees; heat stone at that temperature for 20
minutes.

4. Dust dough with flour, slash the top with serrated or
very sharp knife three times. Slide onto stone. Pour one cup hot water
into broiler pan and shut oven quickly to trap steam. Bake until well
browned, about 30 minutes. Cool completely.

Variation:
If not using stone, stretch rounded dough into oval and place in a
greased, nonstick loaf pan. Let rest 40 minutes if fresh, an extra hour
if refrigerated. Heat oven to 450 degrees for 5 minutes. Place pan on
middle rack.

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55 responses to “Jeff Hertzberg’s Simple Crusty Bread”

  1. Dana Avatar

    Wow, I can’t believe you tried this already! I’m so impressed. I’m sorry to hear it wasn’t a wild success, though. I had high hopes after reading the article this morning. Didn’t the author make it sound like it would be the next big thing??

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  2. radish Avatar

    Holy cow, you baked this already? Wow.. Were you off today? I’m jealous. Sorry it wasn’t as good. Have a great thanksgiving though!

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  3. EB Avatar

    I can’t tell you how jealous I am that you had the time to do this today!! I’m sorry it didn’t come out so great. I was thinking I’d give it a shot for tomorrow. I hope you have a great Thanksgiving!

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  4. aileen Avatar

    So quick! I am really looking forward to hearing if the refrigerator-aging improves the taste. Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving. Safe travels!

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  5. Hillary Avatar

    That bread does seem simple…thanks! And a very Happy Thanksgiving to you!

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  6. km Avatar
    km

    luisa-thank you for testing this for us. I am such a fan of the no knead that I’ll take your word and stick to what works. I’ve been adding olives, rosemary and even cheese to the no knead and it’s so forgiving.
    happy thanksgiving!!

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  7. Karen Avatar
    Karen

    I have been a great fan of the Lahey bread. And was intrigued by this new recipe which seems to have some similarities but also some differences. I’m wondering if you will be happier with it when it rises longer. Since it seems like that was the big key to Lahey’s success. Please let us know.

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  8. Victoria Avatar

    How fun to have a post of yours to read on Thanksgiving. Have a wonderful day, and I hope 2008 is the year all your dreams come true.

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  9. StickyGooeyCreamyChewy Avatar

    How sad. It’s hard to compete with perfection, though. My No Knead bread comes out so wonderful every time, I never even consider trying anything else. That is why I always visit you brave ones who do!
    Have a great Holiday!

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  10. VegeYum @ A Life (Time) of Cooking Avatar

    Oh I so love the no knead bread too. I don’t always cook it in cast iron. I have used glass and terracotta to great success. I have even used a fish steamer as I wanted that shape. When the pot that I use does not have its own lid, I fashion one out of foil and attach it securely, sometimes with a rubber band or string. They all work well.

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  11. Kevin Avatar

    Thanks for the honest critique. It gave me a thing or two to think about re: my recent loaves.
    One thing I learned this week? Wax paper is not meant for baking. It melted into my loaf, and smoked the bread as it melted and burned off. Smoked wax-paper bread anyone?

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  12. AA Avatar
    AA

    Thanks for the review– I actually found the thought of baking stones/boiling water less relaxing than the original 18 hr no-knead. Happy Thanksgiving to all.

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  13. Lindy Avatar

    I am so glad you reviewed this recipe. I was suspicious…because in my experience, as far as a traditional rustic loaf is concerned, slow rise=flavor. Period. Now I’m not going to bother to try this new one myself.
    And I agree with AA that the new recipe- though quicker- sounded less relaxing than the original no-knead.The timing on the original works so well for the working person. If you put it to bed, you can make it when you get home from work.
    I am still looking for a way to get the no-knead to be a little less moist inside, while retaining the lovely radish-sized holes.. Otherwise,it is practically perfect, IMO.

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  14. Claire Avatar

    I was waiting until the thanksgiving hubub died down to try this one, but I see that it’s unnecessary. Actually, I haven’t tried the no-knead variety either, being the virgin baker that I am, but I’ll be seeking out that archive as well. Thanks!

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  15. Luisa Avatar

    I hope everyone had a lovely Thanksgiving – I’ll have an update on the “aged” dough soon!

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  16. Mercedes Avatar

    Hi Luisa, I hope you had a lovely Thanksgiving, can’t wait to hear about it. I hope you know you were mentioned on the epicurious blog today, congratulations!

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  17. Sara Avatar

    Have you seen that Cooks Illustrated has developed a No-Knead Bread version 2.0 in the January 2008 issue? I just received it this weekend — they take Lahey’s recipe and tweak it a bit, including adding beer to the recipe. They also use a parchment paper sling to get the dough into the pot. I tried the sling this weekend and it was genius; the best looking loaf of no-knead bread I’ve made so far.

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  18. Luisa Avatar

    Mercedes – I saw that! How cool.
    Sara – I didn’t see that, but thank you for the heads-up. Would love to read about how their tweaks changed the loaf. How did the beer make it taste?

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  19. Sara Avatar

    Luisa, Sadly, the new issue of CI arrived in my mailbox about 20 minutes after I’d mixed up the dough for the original version, so I was only able to try the parchment sling element of the new recipe. I hope to make another batch with the beer later this week and I will report back.

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  20. Dominic Avatar

    Hi — I came to the same conclusions that you did! You can read my blog entry here:
    http://www.thezenkitchen.com/2007/11/recipe-review-simple-crusty-bread-from.html
    I even got a comment from Jeff Hertzberg! He states that the dough gets better with age, which I assumed.
    Dominic
    the zen kitchen

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  21. jhertz10 Avatar

    Luisa:
    I’m Jeff Hertzberg, one of the co-authors of “Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day,” the book that was reviewed in the NY Times last week. So, I have to ask, what did you think of the dough as it aged? Did you use it between 7 and 14 days in the fridge? Your group here is a very experienced one, and predictably, they miss the artisanal character that our “Day 0” and “Day 1” loaves lack. I think you’ll find that what you’re looking for develops after about a week. Your thoughts?
    Jeff
    http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com

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  22. Luisa Avatar

    Jeff – I actually have the Tupperware of dough still in my fridge (it looks pretty good, all holey). I’m planning on baking it tonight, which will have aged it 8 days. I’m excited to see how it turns out! I’ll update here tonight.

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  23. katy Avatar
    katy

    I love the Sullivan Street Bread. The Hertzberg bread I baked after 24(ish) hours in the fridge was good–and it was so easy. It was not AS impossible to stop eating as the Sullivan Street bread, but we still loooooved it. I baked another batch today, after 48 hours in the fridge. It looks reallllly good. I will be mixing up more right now to keep in my fridge for as long as I can stand it.
    I do so love that Sullivan Street bread, and can’t wait to read the “sling” method in CI. Because that is some messy slop.

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  24. jenny Avatar
    jenny

    luisa,
    I love your site! just discovered it a couple weeks ago and have had to restrain myself from spending hours trawling the archives. I’ve been collecting my own cache of nytimes, la times (and wash post) food section recipes for several years now, and it’s been fun to see how often we’ve agreed on a recipe’s worth. (I’ve also been saved from a couple doozies thanks to your experimentation. the tahini cookies from the la times come to mind here.)
    anyway, on to the subject at hand: the bread. I actually tried the buttermilk version hertzberg created, and after four days in the fridge, I have to say: I was quite impressed. I can’t claim a religious fervor for the lahey recipe because I only just acquired a pot that will make the baking of that bread possible. (and yes, I can hardly wait to try it.) but as breads go–and I must admit, I’m a bit of a fanatic–hertzberg’s did not disappoint. so I’ll be interested to hear your response after your dough’s eight-day repose …

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  25. Gale Avatar
    Gale

    I have made both the Lahey and Hertzberg breads many times since published in the NYT and find the Hertzberg more versatile – esp. since I have purchased the book and found so many different breads and shapes possible with the doughs. The fact that one can have the dough in the fridge for two weeks (and it does improve with age), take it out, shape and bake with a minimum of time and effort for such a good result is remarkable.
    Try the brioche dough – it’s terrific.

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  26. jhertz10 Avatar

    Luisa:
    Now that a couple of people (other than me) confirm that the dough radically improves with a few days aging, I’m really curious to hear what you found with your longer-aged dough.
    Jeff

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  27. Luisa Avatar

    Jeff – I updated my post on Friday morning. Unfortunately, I didn’t find that the dough changed hugely. I would love to try a different recipe of yours – some commenters here have suggested a couple.

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  28. Nancy Avatar
    Nancy

    Your honesty is what makes this blog work! I guess the proof is in the baking of the bread.

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  29. jhertz10 Avatar

    Luisa:
    Yep, saw that. For some bakers experienced in the traditional slow-rise, low-yeast method (Lahey’s an example), our stuff may taste too strongly of commercial yeast. While developing “Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day,” I experimented at some length with very small amounts of yeast in our recipe, rather than the 1 1/2 tablespoons called for in our 4-loaf recipe. Short answer: it works, and the flavor is different. Try as little as a half-teaspoon of yeast in the Master Recipe from the Times and see what you think. Be aware that it’s going to take MUCH longer to achieve your initial rise, overnight or longer to double or more in in volume and then start to collapse on itself at room temperature. Then you can refrigerate as usual and use at your leisure for two weeks.
    One other thing to do that you may enjoy is to subsitute out some of the white flour for rye. Even a quarter-cup gives our method a lot more character. At that low volume of change, nothing else in the recipe needs to change.
    So why didn’t we put this in the book? Short answer is that our guess was that most beginning bread bakers were not going to want to HAVE to wait overnight for their first loaf. And we always figured we could communicate with the experienced bakers this way. We even have a version made with NO commercial yeast that we omitted from the book, mainly because it’s complex and a little finicky. Not for beginners.
    Curious what you’ll think of the low-yeast version. Maybe I’m just a glutton for punishment. But like Nancy above, I appreciate your honesty.
    Our book is currently sold out and in process for a third printing, should be fully available by 12/14 in stores. Maybe sooner. Jeff http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com

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  30. Alexandra Avatar
    Alexandra

    Have you tried the rye bread from Jeff Hertzberg’s book? It’s terrific. I left it in the fridge about a week and it got richer and more flavorful with a wonderful sourdough bite a crispy crust and a nice chewy interior. Just like Mother’s (the Jewish deli I grew up with in NYC)

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  31. Jessica "Su Good Sweets" Avatar

    It’s interesting how this is called “5-Minute” bread, but Jim’s bread takes five minutes of prep, too.

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  32. Lynette Avatar
    Lynette

    Have you noticed the difference when using different flour brands? I’m sold on king arthur brand of bread flour, and until I got to it I tried a few other types that were so very disappointing.
    I’m confused about the Hertzberg recipe and his message’s reference to commercial yeast.
    Is that the over-the-counter stuff we buy at the supermarket or is it an industrial variety for commercial bakers?

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  33. Jeff Hertzberg Avatar

    Sorry Lynette, that was confusing. By “commercial yeast,” I meant any of the brands you see in the supermarket, such as Fleishman’s or Red Star. If you use our standard recipe, which calls for 1 1/2 Tbsp of any of those brands, you get a quick initial rise but experienced bakers sometimes prefer the taste of dough risen with less yeast… and so, we’re in the process of testing our recipe with 1/2 TEASPOON of yeast. It takes longer to rise, but the result is good. More on this next week.
    KAF is a great brand. Their AP is relatively high in protein and yields a firmer dough in our method than say, Gold Medal Unbleached All-Purpose. Both are tasty; my only poor result was with a supermarket brand AP.
    Jeff Hertzberg
    http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com

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  34. Jeff Petrillo Avatar
    Jeff Petrillo

    My family loves your bread recipe (and the fact that their Dad can actually bake bread)!
    But, I do have a question: Is there any reason to use “bread flour” instead of “All Purpose Flour” in your basic bread recipe? What would the difference be in the bread?
    Thanks

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  35. Judy Avatar
    Judy

    I made this bread this weekend. I forgot about it and so it sat at room temp for about 20 hours (!) I am an experienced bread maker, so I wasn’t terribly concerned. I squished it down and put it in the refrigerator. I baked a loaf last night and it was great! I had replaced two cups of white flour (I do use King Arthur’s) with white wheat flour (also K A). I thought it was at least as good as Lahey’s recipe.

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  36. anne Avatar
    anne

    I’ve tried both the Hertzberg and Lahey recipes with success for both as far as ease is concerned. I’ll try rye flour and/or beer to improve taste. But the moistness (read:dampness) of the interior puts me off. Any suggestions?

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  37. jhertz10 Avatar

    It’s Jeff Hertzberg again, one of the authors of Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day. To Lynette’s question… we dropped bread flour because we were going for SIMPLE and we wanted to call for an ingredient that everyone has in their house. If you use bread flour you will get a chewier crumb which many people enjoy. In order to keep the bread as moists as it needs to be to survive storage, you’ll need to add a little more water because the extra protein in bread flour absorbs extra water. Maybe a quarter-cup.
    Then, for those of you who prefer low-yeast, slow-risen breads, I’ve just posted a low-yeast version of our method on our website http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com. See what you think. The commercial yeast taste is less forward and we got a very nice artisanal crumb.
    Jeff Hertzberg

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  38. jhertz10 Avatar

    Anne:
    If you like a drier result, try decreasing the water by an eighth of a cup. You will probably still be able to get away with storage in the fridge. But if you push that, you won’t get much rise after three days or so.
    Jeff Hertzberg
    http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com

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  39. Ida Avatar
    Ida

    My daughter in CA and I in CT have made many loaves of bread using the Lahey recipe of last year. We have experimented with many different flours and additatives with no major failures, some just not quite as perfect as others. When we discovered this Hertzberg recipe we were both immediate converts. We do not use the pizza stone and steam however (too cumbersome). After the rest period we go back to the Lahey method and slide the loaf from a plastic cutting board into a round heated Corningwear dish with a cover. Bake it for 30 minutes with the cover on and then 15 minutes with the cover off. The crust and crumb are fantastic. Daughter went right out and bought the book and is having a wonderful time trying the recipes as well as doing her own experimenting. We will be baking this recipe for years to come I am sure. A nice hot loaf of crusty bread with so little effort – how much better could it get. We love the flavor! Old or new!

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  40. Jeff Hertzberg Avatar

    Ida: I’m so glad this approach worked for you… our method definitely works beautifully in a covered Dutch Oven or other closed baking vessel.
    Contact us anytime at our website: http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com
    Jeff Hertzberg

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  41. Monique Avatar
    Monique

    I have made 3 kinds.. The Cook’s Illustrated..Liked the addition of beer~subtle flavor..
    Made it quite a few times..
    The first one I tried was J Laheys..made it over and over again..nice crisp crust..
    And yesterday I tried Mr.Hertzberg’s.I liked it so much and found it the easiest and quickest..
    I ordered his book from Chapters.ca..
    I am looking foward to making more w/ the dough I have in the cold room..
    And I am looking forward to making more recipes from the book..
    My bread had nice holes..nice crust..
    I love the idea of having it there ready..as a gift..or as a nice last minute accompaniement to a meal..
    It’s great having it all there!
    Thanks very much.Looking forward to your book.

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  42. zorra Avatar

    I didn’t found the bread nirwana neither, but I’m not a fan of the no-knead-bread, too. 😉

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  43. david.C Avatar
    david.C

    I too tried your recipe with a Le Cruset (dutch oven). It isn’t too bad. Now just to work on getting it “Sour”. 🙂

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  44. Jeff Hertzberg Avatar

    Monique/Zorra/David: Thanks for hanging in there with this method. You’ll find that it will “sour” and develop complex flavors if you wait 5 to 7 days before baking it off. Our testers have done this by “staggering” batches, which works well. Let us know how it works out at http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com.
    Jeff Hertzberg (co-author)

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  45. Ida Avatar
    Ida

    Am still loving the 5 Minute Artisan Bread. My daughter in CA is also. I was blessed with a copy of the book for Valentine’s Day from my favorite critic, my husband. He declares he is addicted to his favorite which is a small modification of the original recipe. I substitute 1 cup of semolina (duram) flour for one cup of the all purpose flour. He thinks this adds to the flavor. I continue to bake all the recipes that I have tried in a covered container, either Le Cruset or most often, Corningwear. Crust is always fantastic!

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  46. Barbara Avatar
    Barbara

    I tried the recipe using the King Arthur whole wheat white flour/
    I also experienced a moist interior, but am experimenting with oven temperatures, trying convection at 450 last time.
    This gave a crisper crust but the interior wasn’t as done as I would like, so I am trying 425 degrees the next time and a percentage of white King Arthur flour.I love the convenience of having fresh bread available when we want it!

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  47. Gary Avatar
    Gary

    Can you use the crock out of a crockpot with the lid?

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  48. Jeff Hertzberg Avatar

    So long as the crock and its lid are oven-safe, you should be fine.
    Jeff Hertzberg
    http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com

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  49. Eric Avatar
    Eric

    Great blog–I stumbled into you from a google search. The biggest single improvement you can make in these recipes is to use an artisanal sourdough culture, rather than commercial yeast. The flavors that develop over several days in the refrigerator are far more complex than what you get with commercial yeast. The time required to maintain and use a sourdough culture is minimal–it might add 30-60 seconds to the “5 minutes/day”. Mine were given to me by a friend who purchased them from sourdo.com

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  50. Jeff Hertzberg Avatar

    Eric: I’ve also tested the idea you suggest, and it definitely works. We left it out of our first book because it takes some doing, not quite a perfect fit for people new to bread-baking. But it’s delicious.
    Jeff
    http://www.artisanbreadinfive.com

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